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 Post subject: how to put my baby hats?
PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 12:29 pm 
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Dear friends,

Just a short message / question this time. I am looking for a good way to show my baby hats. At the moment I just improvise and take whatever I can find in my house to put the baby hats on. Who has got the "right"idea?
Thank you so much for your ideas!


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 7:27 pm 
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Monique

I have seen old wooden wig stands used (I have a couple myself but the 'head' part can be too large for a baby hat sometimes). I saw recently at an antique and textiles fair some old wooden spools which would have held thread which had been used in an old spinning and weaving factory. I am now on the look-out for some similar wooden spools to display my own hats.

Any more ideas anyone???

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 6:16 am 
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Hi Monique,

The few suggestions I have are based on what is available in the US,
and may not be findable in Belguim or even in the EU.

Mug trees: These are straight poles, less than half a meter, which have (usually) four protruding hook-like appendages attached in different directions. They are perfect for the smaller baby hats.

Wooden hooks: These are normally used for hats, in fact, and are made to horizontally hang on walls, once again with protuding hooks. Normally, they are attached to a wall with nails, and may have up to eight hooks. I find them rather too large for any hats from SEAsia, due to smaller head size in general, and hang sturdy bags from them instead.

Regular hat trees: These are quite common, and also are useful for hanging umbrellas. The problem with the hat tree hooks is their size, which is fine for adult hats, but are too large for baby hats, and might damage them. They may be up to two meters in height, and have any number of hooks.

Kiddie furniture: Miniature hat trees, mini hooks. and mini ladders, are some ideas for holding kiddie's hats. A visit to a local toy store should be inspiring.

Another hat collector: I erred in not going to the member list first, but we do have a Dutch member who collects hats, and I'm sure she may have some suggestions. So do go to the member list, or with luck she may see this question and answer in far greater detail than I can.

And of course we have hoards of knowledgable members, and I'm sure they have many suggestions as well.

Good luck!
Sandie


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 8:49 pm 
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Monique - I found a styrofoam head from a mannikin (sp?) that I mounted to a pole and use to support an Indian headdress. The foam head was cheap but the rest took work.

Not sure if there are child foam heads but perhaps search the web?

Good luck and keep us updated please. Also some pix when you have displayed them to your satisfaction.

-John


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Dear friends,

Just a short message / question this time. I am looking for a good way to show my baby hats. At the moment I just improvise and take whatever I can find in my house to put the baby hats on. Who has got the "right"idea?
Thank you so much for your ideas!

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 Post subject: hats off
PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 6:59 am 
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Monique-
Here in Thailand a lot of people use an upended basket to display tribal hats.

If, however, you have a large collection, you might want to look for someone who can do simple welding and have some custom hatstands made. We had them made in the past with custom-fitted structures for the hat, proportional rod, and heavy 1/4" metal base; all painted black. I'll try to get some photos to show you. It really makes a difference, especially for certain pieces.

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 Post subject: how to put my bay hats?
PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 3:05 pm 
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Dear Pamela, Sandie, Susan and John,

Thank you for your reply! Great that people are thinking with you to solve a small "problem". Well together with my neighbour I thought about making a hat stand from plexi glass. One company already made me an offer to make the stands for €15 a piece. But than they look perfect and are made especially for the size hat you have. I have asked them to make an example so I can see how it looks. When it is ready I will make a picture of it and send it to the forum.
Again thank you all! Kindest regards Monique


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 4:48 pm 
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Hi again,

I have found the perfect way to display my hats for a reasonable price!

In my “double Dutch” I will try to explain it to you:

You need: 1 persplex (plexi glass) stand (bought in a shop specialised in
things to decorate a shop), this was already made and costs
about €3,00 (available in different heights 10, 15, 20, 25 cm)
¬Ω a foam ball (diameter 12 cm) (if the hat is round) or bigger
if needed
1 cardboard circle (diameter 12 cm)or bigger if
needed
wadding (used in patchwork)
The stand consists of two squares, one at the bottum, one at the top; in between a plexi glass stick.
In the upper square I have made a hole on each side, to attach the cardboard with thread. On the cardboard you glue the ¬Ω foam ball and this half ball is completely covered with the wadding to prevent the hat from sliding down the ball. If somebody needs a detailed description you can contact me!
Bye bye !


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 Post subject: Hat enquiry
PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 12:39 am 
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Greetings Monique
Just paging through your post on hat displays and was excited to see one of your hats posted on December 13th. The hat in question is in the right foreground of image dscn2534_.jpg
Do you have any information on this hat? It appears to be showing the front of the hat? I have a feeling that this is a Dong piece with the nine metallic circular suns attached on the front. I think I can make out metallic circular pieces on the hat over what would cover the ears when the hat is worn? These usually have a hammered image bearing similarities to the Dong drum motifs shown elsewhere on the forum. Are there any suspended sounding charms or other attachments to these? Is the back flap covered with embroidery too? Oftentimes there is a material band that extends from the red "ears" located on the side/top of the hat that extends around to the back which in turn may then fall as trailing bands at the back - is this the case for this hat?
Thank you for the great suggestion of so elegantly displaying these delightful creations!
Iain


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 Post subject: Dong or Miao?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 5:04 pm 
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Hi Iain,

Actually I have several of those beautiful hats. They have told me that these were Miao. But they look exactly as you describe them. Black cotton, embroidery on the top and flap at the back. Metal ornaments: discs, bells, immortals etc. Do you think they are Dong??????
I will post some pcitures.


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 Post subject: Clarification
PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:48 am 
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Greetings Monique
Thank you for posting those images! I am unsure as to whether these are undeniably Dong - one individual claimed that the two hats she sold me came from a Dong village and perhaps I am just carried away with drums! The remainder of these hats in my collection, which I have obtained from different sources, were all stated to be Miao and several are remarkably similar to those you have shared. All of these hats consistently have nine circular discs attached to them. These nine circular discs appear either with eight ('eight immortals'(?)) or nine metallic figures ('eight immortals'and the jade emperoror(?)); or indeed without these metallic figures. It was this consistent feature that made me think of a link to the Dong legend of the nine suns.
The embroidery techniques and motifs commonly appear on Miao textiles although not exclusively. Several examples in my collection incorporate a metallic butterfly (complete with sounding charms as antennae) attached over the hat top embroidery which would perhaps shift this further towards a Miao origin. You show one example where the butterfly is attached at the back with three sounding charms. Could it be that the Miao/Dong attribution arises from an area where both groups reside?
On page 54 of Deryn O'Connor's "Miao Costumes from Guizhou Province South West China" there is a photo of three children wearing hats. All three have hats bearing metallic figure representations - in this case numbering at least 10 individuals -arranged in a single line along the edge of the hat. This arrangement is different to all of my hats where these metallic figures are arranged in two lines limited to a total of either eight or nine. Of interest is the child being carried where a circular metallic piece may be seen on the ear flap.
Regards
Iain


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:13 pm 
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Dear Forum,

I am completely new to this field of collecting.

I have recently returned from traveling in the Yunnan and Ghizou areas of China and I am wondering if anyone on the forum can help me identify which minority group this baby hat comes from? Is it from the Dong? I have seen pictures of similar hats on the forum with similar side circles and fish /bell attachments. I chose this particular hat as I love the grasshopper embroidery.

Thanks for your interest.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:42 pm 
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Hi Jenni

Welcome to the forum!

A very nice hat with some excellent 'drawing' embroidery! When I look at the hat I do not get a sense of 'Dong' but I could be wrong. The use of auspicious protective animals/insects spreads across many minorities and, of course, the Han where the use probably originated.

I contacted Martin Conlan (Slow Lorris) this morning to see if he was able to identify the hat. Surprisingly, in the midst of Christmas preparations, he spotted the email and responded by return. However, sadly Martin is not able to identify the style of the hat but agrees with me that he does not think that it is Dong. He has in his collection a similar hat with what he thinks is a bat-shaped top to yours. Looking again at the image of your hat I see what he means about the top being bat-shaped. As you may know, in China the bat "fu" is a sign of good luck symbolising a long and happy life.

Don't give up! Someone looking at your images may be able to give you some more information. Meanwhile, thanks for sharing your nice example with us.

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