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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 9:44 am 
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The inventory continues

here are another pieces for identification. I have no real clues about them.

The baby vest is likely a new made cloth (china ?)

Tne unknown vest displays different technics od ornementation : weft subsitution or supplementary wefts, supplementary warps for the white lozange band.

Cordialement

Louis


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:02 am 
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The second textile with the red weaving in the side looks like it comes from the Andes - either Peru or Bolivia.

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/512073420104708753/

see this as a modern example. There has been a revival of weaving techniques in some communities in these countries. Prior the European invasion of Peru textiles had as much worth as gold (if not more) for the Inca elite. South America is well worth investigation for a long ad deep weaving tradition. I hope this helps somewhat.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:44 pm 
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Louis, I would guess the 2nd textile was not originally a vest but perhaps a skirt, shoulder cloth or even a hood (cape) that was converted into a vest. The opening for the head looks crude and newly added. The fact that the textile is not symmetrical also makes me think this. I wonder if the textile could be from Vietnam, perhaps the Bhanar group. What do other members think? What size is it Louis?

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 5:50 pm 
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This unknown vest is definitely a modern take. They appeared in the 1990's along with a host of similar designs purporting to be old Miao baby carriers. Here they have taken it a step further by reusing random pieces of embroidered cloth that appears to have been aged but still using the monochromatic brown embroidery. A number of these could be purchased in in the past from markets around Kaili


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:04 am 
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Iain

I agree with you. I had serious doubts and suspected that baby jacket was just made for the market. Same thing for skirt made blouse.

I have the same doubts about those two new pieces. The construction and sewings seem not made for allday use and they have been never worn. But there is decidely a style on thoses pieces and I cannot find at which group they can be attributed (china minority ?)

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Louis


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:09 am 
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Again, Louis, this latest piece posted is also a made up piece in the style originating amongst the Yi in Yunnan.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:38 pm 
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I'm also inclined to think that the Andean piece may have been reworked. Normally these consist of two pieces that are joined down the middle with zig zag sewing in wool. This looks like half a mantua which someone has cut a slit in the middle and crudely sewn around the edges. In the ancient Andean tradition textiles are not cut but instead are woven to the shape needed. In ancient times this resulted in some amazing textiles woven in the shapes of fish etc.

Given the traditional weaving techniques in this piece I would be surprised if an andean weaver would so crudely finish it off like this.


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