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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 9:08 pm 
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I am posting an Iban pua and a bidang from my collection as promised to John. The bidang was the first Iban piece I purchased and was found in an unlikely place in the Putra Shopping Mall in KL in 1994. I subsequently bought one more from the same source the following year but, despite visiting every year since, no more gems appeared - only modern, fairly crude pieces for the tourist market. The two are very similar and not very fine but have a certain rough charm.

The pua is much more fine, although it has a hole towards the bottom on the right facing you. This piece gives me pleasure including the dancing figures at the bottom. This was purchased in one of the water-front bazars in Kuching.

(my appologies as to the quality of the photos - it is hard to get back far enough to photo in my hallway and there is not very much natural light - good for the textiles that 'live' there but not for photography!)

I would welcome any comments as to origin.

I will have a hunt for some other bidang, perhaps at the weekend.


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 Post subject: another bidang
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File comment: bidang (1) 57cm wide with a 106 cm circumference showing hand-sewn joining 'fell' seam.
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File comment: Detail of bidang (1) 57cm wide with a 106 cm circumference. Note the grey dye which I believe has been applied after weaving.
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 Post subject: ...and an Iban basket
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I have been exchanging emails with John about collecting and how I have found that many textile collectors also have an affinity with baskets. Baskets are, after all, created from fibre and 'woven'. In the cultures of many of the peoples whose textiles we admire baskets play an important role and are all part of their material culture.

I am going to post a photo of an Iban basket that I could not resist on a visit to Kuching. Most of my baskets are relatively small - this one is 17 cm high and 14 cm in diameter. The designs on the basket clearly echo those in the textiles above.

Unless any community member feels strongly against it I am happy to welcome some baskets on the forum where they relate in to the textiles shown. If we have a lot of interest in baskets I will start a new forum for them - much as we have for books or travel - but I cannot promise to support it in the same way that I try to do for the textiles.

A very good book to look out for in the context of Borneo is 'Iban Baskets' by Jean-Francois Blehaut and published by the Sarawak Literary Society. My basket has some similarites in constuction to figure 74 on page 68 'Patterned selok sowing basket'.


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File comment: Detail of Iban basket 17 cm high and 14 cm in diameter. Possibly a [i]selok[/i] sowing basket
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File comment: a small Iban basket. Note the "tumpal" type triangular design of the upper stitching.
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File comment: Small woven basket from the Aboriginal people of Taiwan.
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File comment: Tall Iban field basket. The straps have been replaced at least once.
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File comment: 33" high x 19" diameter opening.
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File comment: A recent silk bidang woven and exhibited at the Tun Jugah Gallery in Kuching.
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File comment: a recent silk pua woven at the Tun Jugah Gallery in Kuching. Silk takes dye color more easily than cotton.
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File comment: An old identical pair of Iban bidang sewn for wearing.
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File comment: An old Iban Bidang. Commercial dyes and threads. Probably pre WWII.
22" x 40" opened.

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My thanks for your posts of splendid baskets and ikats. My apologies for editing the photos down. Can I please suggest that you crop the photos so that they are no wider than 600 pixels wide. This is both to keep the images small in file size and also to avoid distorting the viewing of the forum posts so that they can be seen on the computer screen without having to scroll across to read the text. Sorry to be so bossy.....

I love the patina on your tall Iban basket - yummy! The shape is also very attractive indeed. I will let your little Taiwan aboriginal basket stay in this Iban post because I know that Siriol will be interested to see it. I have a similar one which was new at purchase from Vietnam, a Tai (probably Southern White Tai according to Dr Michael Howard's definitions). The patina on mine is relatively non existent or, at least, only very slightly improved as I have loved to handle it in the 9 years since I bought from the lady who had created it in Ban Lac, Mai Chau district, Hoa Binh Province (see her modeling a headcloth she had woven but I bought the basket instead as thanks for her hospitality in having invited me into her home http://www.tribaltextiles.info/Gallerie ... TWVE13.htm ). 'Vietnam Museum of Ethnology', the catalogue of the Museum, has lots of very nice baskets shown throughout the catalogue as well as textiles - I am sure that you would be unable to resist it, John!

Thanks for your interesting comments following my bidang post. I appreciate them very much as I am sure will fellow forum members now and in the future. I had an interesting time on Sunday photographing my 'Borneo Collection' of 8 Iban ikat skirts, one embroidered one, one Kelambi, a beaded skirt and bolero jacket, a beaded centre to a hat, a Rungus woven skirt, 5 baskets/food cover - Oh, I forgot, as I did not photograph it then, a beaded/basket baby carrier (now photographed!) I will post some of these items in the future and, I guess, time permitting, create a web gallery of them.

So, this thread seems to be a hotchpotch of different items, tribal groups and countries! Not very disciplined but lots of fun and the joy of seeing beautiful items be they textile or basket as well as learning which is what the whole thing is about.

Thanks, John, for pushing the boundaries....


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File comment: Small basket purchased from the maker in Ban Lac, Mai Chau district, Hoa Binh (Ha So'n Binh) Province, northern Vietnam in 1995 8 cm high and 11 cm diameter at its fattest part.
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File comment: a very fine and closely twined basket made of "grasses' by the Aleut people of Alaska. So soft and fine it feels like textile. 5" high.
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File comment: A large feast bowl basket from the Maidu tribe also of California. Made late 1800's. Kept by previous collectors in pristine shape. 12" high x 25" Diameter at top.
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File comment: Pomo basket covered with feathers and abalone shell dangles. Early 1900's. 2" high x 7" widest. Oval shape.
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John,

re photos sizes please restrain photo width to 600 pix maximum so that this does not distort the forum layout and ease of reading. I have edited down two of your baskets where the width was 800 and 700+

Well, quite stunning baskets and what a range! You will see that I have changed (again) the title of this thread!

I would think that your little basket is from Taiwan since really it is a very basic design really growing out of the medium. There are probably examples all over the world - certainly Asia. You might be interested in a book which Siriol Richards has been recommending for some time - see http://www.tribaltextiles.info/communit ... ght=taiwan and also http://www.tribaltextiles.info/communit ... ght=taiwan for this and other Taiwan information on the forum.
By the way, I can recommend the Search feature on the forum - see links in top right of screen - to find items posted that you can't remember exactly where.

Your Pomo basket looks as if it should lay eggs - or at least keep them warm! Really over the top.

My basket contribution tonight is not quite a basket but a foodcover which I bought in Sabah - so part of my Borneo collection. The work is incredibly fine. It is 6 cm high and 11 cm in diameter. I bought it from one of the shops in the hotel as an ordinary tourist item about 6 years ago. The next year when I wanted to buy more there was no sign of anything so fine being made. It has an inner lining of a coarser basket weave.

This is getting to be a disease!


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File comment: a foodcover bought in Kota Kinabalu, Sabah, East Malaysia - so part of my Borneo collection. The work is incredibly fine. It is 6 cm high and 11 cm in diameter. Seen from the top.
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File comment: a foodcover bought in Kota Kinabalu, Sabah, East Malaysia - so part of my Borneo collection. The work is incredibly fine. It is 6 cm high and 11 cm in diameter. Seen from the side.
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File comment: A loin cloth ("Sirat" in Iban and "chawat" in Malay) with ends done in pilih style. 130" x 11.25".
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File comment: An Iban bidang in sungkit technique. Handspun and commercial threads. Silver metallic threads for accents.

41" x 21". Probebly early to mid 20th century.

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I have visited the Peranakan exhibition in Singapore which you mention and yes, I found the beadwork fascinating. I have quite a good book with some information on the Peranakan 'The Straits Chinese: A Cultural History' by Khoo Joo Ee published by the Peppin Press (Amsterdam and Kuala Lumpur fax: 31 20 4201152. I bought my copy in KL having originally seen it in Singapore (where it was much more expensive). It is a general book on the culture so has some textiles, some pottery, some furniture, quite a lot of old photos. I am pretty sure that I bought a small book on the beadwork during a visit to the Kuching Museum bookshop a few years ago. It is currently 'hiding' somewhere on my bookshelves. If it comes to light I will let you know.

Both your textiles are very interesting especially the loin cloth. Traditional textiles worn by men disappear so much earlier than women's clothing and also items such as loin cloths tend not to be revived for cultural shows. The two different ends are interesting.

The sungkit technique is interesting. Yes, striking designs. Personally I have more empathy with the softer colours of the ikat although I appreciate the 'stand up and stare' quality of the sungkit.

Re the books - thanks. If you get a chance to look at the rash of China textile posts (especially Dong) before they were upstaged by the Iban we were quoting quite a bit from this volume. Gets to look like an exchange of code with page numbers and figure numbers!

We would love to see some more Borneo textiles. It would be a good idea to start a new thread or two - perhaps split out the jackets from the mats. Generally, although I know you like the woven together nature of all sorts of items, I would suggest that it is more helpful if there is some sense to types of items or origins on one thread rather than a muddle together. I know that I and others can find it frustrating trying to find the right thread where we have seen something before and some coherence can help. Of course, there is always the search facility.

So, keep going with the photo posting (especially as you give helpful information to accompany the photos which is great for refrence and learning) but a little order please!! Congratulations on having got the size of the photos sorted out!

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