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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:29 am 
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Dear All,
I'm Niels from Holland and I would like to ask you some info on a tapis i recently received from a uncle of mine.
I'm not known in this territory and I have no info about it.
I'm told that its a Tapis from the lampun area of south sumatra.
whatt I would like to know is, how old is it and what is the going market value. I'm not directly interesting in selling it, but I don't know how rare this item is and how carefull i must handle it.

It is aprox 1 meter x 1,5 meter and its woven in gold and it has no damages or hole / tears in it.

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all help & info welcome ! thanks very very much


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:03 am 
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any one ? please.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 3:46 pm 
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Hi Niels-
You were told correctly about the origin of this textile. The Lampung area is in southeast Sumatra and became prosperous with the pepper trade. The famous 'ship cloths' come from here, but are different from your texitle, as they were used for rituals and gift-giving. Yours would have been worn for such ceremonies. It is lovely and appears to be in good condition. It was originally stitched with one seam into a tube, but has been opened up. The gold threads are embroidered onto the woven foundation fabric and are actually metal-wrapped threads. For this reason, it should be handled carefully- don't fold it; preferably store it flat, or if you must, roll it for storage, with archival paper as a separation layer. It can be displayed nicely as is, mounted carefully on a background. It could be early 20thc. I don't know the value, but these have steadily increased in value over the years. Take good care of it, and enjoy its considerable beauty!

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:40 pm 
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Thanks very much for your post Susan,
I think I must handle it more carefully then.
I'm thinking of selling it because I believe it could be in better hands.
Are there sites where such items are sold or what would an advice be ?

thanks very much.

Niels


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 9:47 pm 
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Thanks, Susan for coming to the rescue here! Yes, I agree that it is from the Lampung area of south Sumatra. I think it is a woman's ceremonial skirt tapis tua (opened out as Susan says) and is from the Abung people. The embroidered gold thread is known as 'couching' where the threads wrapped in metal are then held down to the background fabric by embroidery threads - particularly as shown in your third photo down. Yes, it needs to be handled and stored carefully.

Have a look (I hope the link works) at some examples in the collection of the Art Institute of Chicago: http://www.artic.edu/aic/collections/ar ... rtist/5206

Age - broad brush attempt might be first half of 20th century.

I too have no idea of value but, as Susan says, they are quite sought after. I have one in my own collection purchased in Jakarta in 1998 at the time of the Asian economic crisis when hard currency was highly sought after and many desirable textiles came onto the market.

Difficult to tell from the photos but possibly quite a lot of the brightness of the original colours of the silk in the textile has faded. This could (negatively) affect the value.

Very difficult to advise re selling. There is always Ebay. You might do better trying a specialist gallery. As it is from Indonesia and you are in Holland you are well situated for people with knowledge and interest in the textiles of Indonesia. If you wanted to research it further you might seek help from the Tropenmuseum in Amsterdam. I am afraid that I am not au fait with dealers in The Netherlands. Some hunting on the internet may give you some leads. Also look at some of the big tribal shows in NY and San Francisco which attract international dealers. The Caskey & Lees website http://www.caskeylees.com usually lists participants in their shows and you may find some from Holland.

Good luck in finding it an appreciative home!

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 5:53 am 
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thanks alot again.
I know I keep asking this, but when selling it, what whould be a decent starting or asking price be.
forgive me, I have realy no idea at all.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 10:37 pm 
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This forum does not focus on values.

I would not feel comfortable giving you any indication as I have no current comparative yardstick. I wouldn't do it on the forum but, regardless, I have no sense of a price even to communicate to you privately.

The price that you might get for the piece is likely to be very different from one that a respected dealer or gallery would ask and be able to obtain based on customer respect for professional expertise.

Initially you said that you were not thinking of selling. I would, therefore, take some time to research the market - I have given you some leads on finding dealers. Take some good photos - whole cloth and details. Check out carefully the condition of the textile and be prepared to highlight imperfections.

You might find interesting a book 'The Art of Indonesian Textiles: The E.M. Bakwin Collection at the Art Institute of Chicago' which should be available from the Museum. It has a two page spread (pps 38,39) of photos and text about the ceremonial skirts (tapis) of the Abung people - much more text that you usually see about the Abung. In addition a whole page detail shot of gold couching from a tapis, p18. The Bakwin collection was catalogued and researched by Brigitte Khan Majilis, Curator of the Textile Dept at the Rautenstrauch-Joest Museum of Ethnography, Cologne. The more knowledgeable you are about the textile and the more background information you can supply the better the price you are likely to get for it.

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Hello Niels,
I know Pamela doesn't want to turn the Forum into a marketplace and I respect her decision to keep it this way. Because I have no interest in purchasing this piece, If you want to contact me off the forum I can offer some additional comments about the market, and give you some advice on value.

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Mark Johnson

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:34 pm 
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It has been a while but decided to post it here to let you know I have decided to part from it. Those who are interested can email me at: nhgklompen@home.nl

thanks in advance


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