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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:18 pm 
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Great info! Thanks for sharing. As a new member I am late on this topic, but wanted to add what I have learned.

I have one loincloth with twining very similar to several of those photographed, and was told that these cloths with twining were Ngae or Nge loincloths. A 6 meter loincloth is wrapped around the waist only, and not over the shoulders. The gentleman who sold it to me stripped to his underwear and wrapped it so I could see how it was worn!

The Katu loincloth I had (it was just sold) looks like the center loincloth in Susan's "Mail-Katu-Loincloth" photo, and in Pamela's following second photo titled "Mail-Ta-Oi" from Vietnam, but in Laos, it is woven by the Katu, and I bought it directly from the weaver of the piece in a Katu village in Salavan Province, Laos. The Ngae loincloth was purchased used in Salavan Province also, but I don't know exactly where it was woven. It looks very much like the first photo posting Pamela did from Marla entitled b_4849dd_attapoeu_a_117w.jpg. If anyone is interested, I can learn how to post photos... (The Katu cloth is on our website under tribal textiles and is sold, but still there as an example if you are interested in seeing it. I do not have any photos of the older Ngae loincloth but I am keeping that one for myself so I can get photos any time.)

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:42 am 
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I have a women's ceremonial skirt from the Ngae people and have so far failed to find anything in detail about the textiles of this very little known group. I love the animal imagery and the wonderful soft colour scheme!
You can find this skirt at

http://www.tribaltextiles.info/communit ... php?t=1218

Very interested to se the name 'Ngae' making an appearance again!
Would love to see an image of the loin cloth.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 2:51 am 
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I also have a couple of tubeskirts and a blanket from this group. And I have tried unsuccessfully to find the book referenced by Pamela in the post referred to by Siriol. I did find a little bit on Ethnologue that puts this small group in a language perspective and lists their locations: http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=ngt. Any photos of their weavings would be fun to see. I find the weavings of Mon-Khmer groups in Laos and Vietnam very interesting and unusual.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:00 am 
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Susan,

re the book. Try and get hold of Ron Simpson whilst he is in CM as he showed us his copy of the book. You will need to get the details off the thread as he is not a computer user. He might be able to get back to source. If you speak to him, give him my best for 2010.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:13 pm 
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Earlier in this thread (page 1) almost a year ago in Jan 08, I had quite a discussion on weft twining looking at various, mainly Cotu/Katu, loincloths!

On 18 Dec 09, after posting my response to Susan, immediately above, I went back through the old thread. This was fresh in my mind when, a few days later, I was pointed in the direction of an excellent website on Bedouin weaving, Joy May Hilden's www.beduinweaving.com . As I was checking out the site I discovered a web article on weft twining http://www.beduinweaving.com/webarchive/weft/weft01.htm and was fascinated to see an answer to one of the questions I had posed earlier on this thread as to whether the weft twining might be done on rather than off the loom. Of course, this is not a direct answer as to whether the Cotu/Katu do any of their twining on the loom but it does show alternative methods of twining carried out by the Bedouin, including twining on the loom - especially, for technique, see http://www.beduinweaving.com/webarchive/weft/weft05.htm and http://www.beduinweaving.com/webarchive/weft/weft06.htm Joy has kindly given me permission to post her image of 'A woman twines a wide section of a warp faced tent divider using synthetic yarn' from page ...weft06 and the whole textile remains in the loom.
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"Weft Twining on a Loom
If the twining is added to a warp-faced piece, the weaver does not follow the procedure for lifting and pushing down the yarns. No shed is made, no heddles are used. The warp yarns lie flat and even, and the twined yarns are carried across them. In both loom and off-loom techniques,when a complex tapestry-like design is being made, several sections may be worked on simultaneously. If the design is continuous and linear, the weaver takes the yarn all the way across."

Now, if someone can provide a photo of a Cotu/Katu woman twining in the loom that would really answer my question!


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