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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 6:41 pm 
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Hello all.

It has been a long time since I last found something to show here. My main interest is weapons.

Can you help on this?

Silk cloak with gold brocade and silver wrapped woven threads. The silver wrapped threads appear to be a natural undyed silk. The gold thread seems to be a little more fine and dyed yellow. Approx 130cm across the straight edge/bottom fringe. Superb weaving? I will have to reply to this too upload adequate pics. Thanks for any help.

First pics with flash on dining room table.


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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 6:44 pm 
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Day light pics.


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Daylight close up of Persian? hunting dogs and wolf?


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I would add more pictures but seem to be restricted just now.


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Hi Honeydarling, (I don't call anyone else that!)

Without being an expert, my impression is that the cloak is of Indian origin. Such silver brocade could be from Benares, and the embroidery suggests India to me, also, but quite possibly from somewhere east of India as far away as Indonesia.

Under "Society News" on this link, you can read of a black and silver brocade dress:
http://www.mtholyoke.edu/~dalbino/lette ... dia03.html

I hope someone with a better eye for embroidery can help you further.

Larry


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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 3:01 pm 
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Hello Larry,

Thanks for the help. I think you are correct about a more Eastern origin. You have prompted me to look more closely at the hunting dog. It looks just a little too heavy for a Saluki. It looks more like an Afghan or Baluchi hound. So I might conclude it is from today's Pakistan or Afghanistan perhaps N India if they use that type of hunting dog. The British have a long association with the Khyber region. I rather like it.

Thanks Honey :mrgreen: Darling :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 4:02 pm 
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Hi -
I cannot tell the size of this cape, but the neck looks a bit small, making me wonder if perhaps it could be for a child; specifically a boy, and for his circumcision ceremony. This is a special occasion in many areas of the Near and Middle East, and Africa, and young boys are dressed up as kings, usually in special hats and capes. Turkey especially comes to mind and the gold embroidery on yours hints at older Ottoman-style ornament. Recent variations usually are red or white with fluffy edging, but yours could be older and of a different fashion. I think the brocade and the pattern of dogs is incidental and is used to suggest the riches of a nobleman.

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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 7:02 pm 
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Hello Susan,

I think it is for a young man as it is a fifteen inch collar. That is large for a boy unless he is rather obese then the item would seem a little out of place. I can just get it around my neck and sadly I am just short of 50 and carrying more than in my younger days. I rushed around on my bicycle rather than hunting, but it was still fun.

Honey


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 Post subject: Amhara Addis Ababa?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:42 pm 
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Found this information and picture from "John Gillow. African Textiles, Colour and Creativity Across a Continent" Note how similar the gold braid work is. The item from the book is a velvet cape. It would seem that the Amhara import these fabrics from India and Arabia, futher fashioned and embriodered to local taste. Arbian hunting dogs?


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