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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:42 am 
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Hi, My husband and I are traveling to China in September and would like to visit Xian Ma Village, because the missionary who taught the 60-year-old woman to speak Mandarin when she was a girl was a friend of my family's, and we are very interested in seeing the place where he had his mission. Could you help us find Xian Ma Village? Is there a map? Any help you could give us would be most appreciated.


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I attach a detail from my personal map of my 2000 trip to southwest China. This part of the map shows the province of Guizhou. This map is based on Nelles Maps in their 'Explore the World' series and is 'Southern China'. There is a later edition of the map (published in 2005). Several place names changed. Puding is still the same. This 2005 map does not show Hou Chang township but does show a few more roads centering on Puding. I will attach a close up.

If you find Anshun (the second largest city on this map after Guiyang, the capital of Guizhou), then the town of Puding is to the west and a sideshoot blue line off our travels. I don't have any map with Xian Ma exactly located. All I know is that from Puding it is "40km to Xian Ma village, Hou Chang township in the north west of Puding county, Guizhou province".

The national guide who organised the trip was Wang Jun (or Xiao Wang as we called him). Wang Jun is a member of this forum. He now works for a different travel agency in Guizhou but still works with Gina Corrigan on arrangements for trips that she leads. http://www.tribaltextiles.info/communit ... ofile&u=44 I tried to email Wang Jun via the email function on the forum but it was returned unable to be delivered. I have just tried again via the 2 emails shown on Wang Jun's web site and, so far, they have not been returned. A message to everyone - Wang Jun has lots of photos and info on the website - so well worth a look.

Did you find this page on the main tribaltextiles.info website http://www.tribaltextiles.info/Gallerie ... A-hmao.htm You may, of course, be related to the Rev Keith Parsons whose archive is detailed there.

I have now loaded up and linked to the China 2000 diary a map of the trip and, in the diary, put a link to the A-Hmao info in the summary info of the Xian Ma photogallery. (Map: http://www.tribaltextiles.info/Diaries/mapSWC2K.htm )

Good luck with organising your trip. It would be great to get some feed-back from you on your return.

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I found your website while researching the Miao ethnic group. I enjoyed reading your entire site. I was happily surprised to see the photo of the woman who spoke Mandarin because of the missionary, who we believe to be Edgar Truax. He was there in the 1930's and '40's. While Edgar Truax was working among the Miao people, he learned their language and translated a wonderful geneology that had been part of the oral history of the Miao people of that region. Technically, they would have quoted it from the end of the poem to the beginning. I hope you enjoy it.

I'm not sure I know how to attach it, but I'll try.


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the Miao people started with this poem and then quoted from memory until they reached their own personal geneology.


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should say Southwest, not Southeast China. My typo.


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I am glad that you managed to attach the document successfully. Thank you for sharing it with us - very interesting.

Li Jiang Ying was a lovely lady and a very fine waxer indeed. We had such a good time visiting her and her family and they were so generous in their welcome. As I type I can see a basket (for wearing on your back to carry heavy loads) which her husband insisted on giving away to whomsoever wanted it - I could not resist! Because she spoke such good Mandarin (taught in the missionary school) she was able to explain everything clearly to Wang Jun for him to share with us. I was fascinated by this group of Big Flower Miao which had moved away from where the main group lived - as they do today - in the Weining area.


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Thank you for that information. We will check out Weining, too.


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Dear Pamela,
It is so nice to hear from you!! How's everything going recently? Still busy as usual?

It is very strange that your email sent to me was returned. It is exactly the email address I am using.But anyway I am very pleased to hear from you!!

Thank you VERY much for your comment on me and my website. I am thinking of have some renewal againof it, probably in this year when I am not so busy.

I checked up with some local people of Puding county. Here is some information as follow and I hope it could help a little.

Name: Xianma village, Houchang Township, Puding county, Anshun Prefecture.
Distance: 2 kms to the north of Houchang township, 45 kms from Puding county
Villagers: Basically all side-comb Miao people with about 1300 people of more than 300 households.
Others: There is still one church in the village. Some villagers still will visit the church on Sunday.


With Kindest Regards,

Wang Jun


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Hi Pamela,
I can't tell you how pleased I am to receive all of this information! Thank you so much! I have read Wang Jun's complete website and we will check into using their services on our trip. It looks like we may be able to get in on the Song and Dance Costumed Festivals and Parades in Kaili in early October. That will be great fun! You have been such a wonderful help and I can't thank you enough!
Etty


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Dear Etty

I am SO pleased that you have found the information useful. I have enjoyed revisiting some of my older material and it has been good to be in touch with Wang Jun again.

I hope that all the organisation goes well and that you enjoy your trip. Getting to some festivals would be excellent. Wang Jun's organisation is meticulous. I am sure he will give himself ulcers as he worries a great deal about things going well. He has also built up a great deal of information (and contacts) over very many years of organising trips. He has developed a special interest in the minorities and he has been fortunate to work with people with even more years of experience and passion for information on them.

It would be great to receive some feedback on your trip.

Very best wishes

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Thanks, again, Pamela. I look forward to getting acquainted with Wang Jun and his organization. I will be sure to write to you again when we return from China in October.
With gratitude,
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Dear Etty,

Sorry I have taken so long to respond to your post. It was very good of you to provide us with feedback from the diary of your trip. Very valuable indeed and much appreciated!

I was particularly pleased to hear that Wang Jun helped you out with your hotel and was able to organise a worthwhile trip for you in Guizhou. I was sure that he would be helpful. My own personal experience of his travel assistance has been on group trips which have been prearranged and not spur of the moment needs. The trip to Langde and Kaili sounds good. You were lucky that your timing was so good re Langde. The opening of the fast new road to Kaili has made such a difference to being able to get to the minority areas quickly from Guiyang. Of course, this also means that the whole region is more accessible and the traditions will disappear even more quickly.....

Yes, I have happy memories of the hot and sour soup that you had in the divided pan. Something that Wang Jun knows finds favour with Western guests and enables them to adjust to some food which is hot and spicy and some less so. When I think of all those good meals that I have enjoyed in Guizhou my mouth waters!

Thanks again for sharing your feedback so vividly with us so that others can benefit.

Very best wishes,

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Our entire trip seemed to be touched with the hand of Providence. We arrived in Zhengzhou just in time for the Moon Festival, with its trees painted white, its moon cakes, and fireworks. Then, it was Mao's birthday celebration. Then, National Day with miles-long parades. And finally, the Sisters' Festival in Langde. It just could hardly have been better!


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