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 Post subject: Dong or Zuang? Blanket
PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 2:51 am 
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This is an embrodiered 3 panel blanket- it's one of the pieces that I'm assuming is older. I've seen similar things that are labeled as Dong and Zuang. How do I tell the difference? Also, the fabric has an almost metalic sheen to it and I'm wondering how that is accomplished. And how on earth they keep the patterns so consistant- it couldn't be done by eye- is it a matter of counting when they're at the loom?


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 Post subject: pattern
PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 2:52 am 
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You can see the pattern better here.


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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 9:40 pm 
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You might want to follow the link off another thread posted by Susan Stem http://www.tribaltextiles.info/communit ... .php?t=901 I have checked out the link and the exhibit is still live on her Tribal Trappings website.

I agree with you about wonderful skills. I don't have the expertise to differentiate between these blankets but I do admire them.

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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 12:12 am 
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Thank you for introducing me to the tribal textiles site!


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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 9:54 am 
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I am hoping that Susan will have a look at this thread but she is going through a computer nightmare at the moment. You know, install new antivirus software and the whole system seems to go up the shoot! Her machine keeps crashing without warning among other things. So, for anyone trying to be in touch with her, please have some patience.

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 Post subject: I'm baaaack!
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 9:43 am 
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I'm baaack, Insh'allah and the Computer Gods, too! Sorry for the silence.

Andrea, it looks like you have a very nice Zhuang blanket. I don't know if you found the specific page, but I have a variety of these at http://www.tribaltrappings.com/TACH_1C.html and you can compare. Several exhibit the same design device of a frame surrounding a field of geometric motifs. Some of the motifs are similar to yours. Also, on the following page you will see baby blankets with similar motifs, with TACH251 being almost the same as the frame on your blanket. Dong blankets are different and a selection of some can be seen at the top of http://www.tribaltrappings.com/TACH_1A.html, tho it is by no means definitive.

I wish I could tell you more about this piece, but there is little documentation available, especially in English. I have a book in Chinese about blankets, but it only includes those of the Tujia, Miao, Yao, and Dong. If I can get enough people interested, and willing to contribute some funds, I can get it translated to English for $400.

From what I have found, the Zhuang are the second largest Chinese ethnic group, after the Han, or largest minority group, and mostly live in Guangxi Province, east of Guizhou. They are considered 'proto-Tai', so they are related to the many Tai descendant groups. There is also a very lengthy and scholarly discussion of their origins at http://mcel.pacificu.edu/as/resources/zhuang/zhuang1.htm#anchor_chapter_47857 with the suggestion that they came from a people called "Yue". I, personally, would love to know more about their history, as I find their textiles very beautiful and with a connection to those of the Tai. Perhaps some of our members in China could shed some light on this question? I think that Steven Frost has recently travelled in this area... or Andrew, or James Welcome?

I have some other blankets in my collection which I'm told are Zhuang, but are quite different. I'll try to post some photos soon.

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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 4:45 pm 
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I've spent hours on your site, Susan. So many gorgeous pieces! And thank you. How enterprising to think of having that book translated. I don't have cash to offer but do have a number of embroidered shirts from Chinese minorities and would sell one toward the translation cause if this is a project you're ready to dive into. Having just stumbled into all this I'd like to contribute in some positive way. That blanket is one of my favorite pieces.


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I have resisted blankets (as they have seemed a slippery slope to perdition in the textile addiction game) but am prepared to pledge $50 to the translation cause. Trying to find good literature in English for those of us who are linguistically challenged is almost a holy grail.

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Pamela-
Many thanks for that! This is a very good beginning! If anyone else out there would like to participate, let me know by private message on this forum.

Unfortunately, Andrea, the book does not include Zhuang... but your interest is very encouraging.

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 Post subject: Book enquiry
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 2:38 am 
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Greetings Susan
Bibliophile here at heart! Could you possibly give the book title you refer that deals with blankets. If translation is a possibility will definitely contribute to the cause!
Many thanks
Iain


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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 3:17 am 
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Iain-
The title is in Chinese, so I don't know exactly, tho a visiting Chinese friend looked at it and gave me a basic title of: "Peoples from Hunan Province Art Collections", or at least that was what my notes say. You may know the book, or have it available. It has 180 pieces from "different types of cotton", also from different provinces, and comes in a slipcase with a multicolored Dong blanket on the cover (similar to one I had in all indigo, but is sold). ISBN: 7-5356-0703-9/J . 638. I'll try to scan the cover later.

Hope that helps!

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 Post subject: Book details
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 9:25 am 
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Greetings Susan
Thanks for the book title - found it. The Romanisation of this title is as follows:
Min jian zhi jin (Hunan min jian mei shu quan ji). Published in 1994 by Hunan mei shu chu ban she.
ISBN-10: 7535607039
ISBN-13: 978-7535607034
Unfortunately it is no longer in print and apparently a hen's tooth is easy to find.....the challenges abound. Sign me up for translation contributions!
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Iain


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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 12:49 pm 
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I have a book on wooden sculpture from the same series and it is a nice one.
Perhaps I can call the publishing house and try to track down more copies.
The series focuses specifically on Hunan so I assume the pieces would be Han, Miao, Tujia and Yao, with possibly a few Dong pieces.

Steven


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