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 Post subject: Pineapple design?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 11:22 am 
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Pamela
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Note the pinapple weave in the red fabric. This weave is quite common amongst the Shui. I am always attracted to it. Having said that, it just might be embroidery - not clear enough to see!
is this similar to what appears on carrier 4? (M-bby-crrr4tp-pnlE.jpg) which appears to be embroidery?
Have also gone back into these posts and posted relevant links which hopefully helps :P .
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:43 pm 
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Iain

I should have seen that one coming!

I have had a look at enlarged details of your babycarriers on the CD that you sent me, my photo from 2005 and gone back to photos taken in 2001 in a Shui/Bailing Miao village (Wong Jian village, Ji Chang township, Duyun city 3 November 2001) where I knew I had a photo of some pineapple weave.

So, I don't think that M-bby-crrr4tp-pnlE.jpg is pineapple weaving but embroidery. I show a detail of babycarrier 4. This is definitely not pineapple weave and I think it is embroidery rather than supplementary weft weaving. The same can be said about something similar in your babycarrier 2 - see detail.

I tried blowing up a detail of my photo from 2005 and it looks different.

I then found the relevant photo from 2001 and show a close-up. You will see it is completely different from your, probably embroidered, pieces and more similar to my 2005 photo. However, I think you do have some such weaving in the background of babycarrier 6 which is very 'textured' weaving although not quite like either of my photos. The 'textured' or pineapple weave uses several sheds.

I think that we have a thread on this with posts by myself and Andrew Dudley and possibly Marla Mallett. I need to have a hunt for it. Found it! http://www.tribaltextiles.info/communit ... .php?t=257 Don't be distracted by the lovely wax resist! See bottom posts on page 1 and top posts on page 2. Note, pineapple weave is also known - probably more correctly - as diamond twill! My detail of pineapple/diamond twill weaving is taken from the 3rd photo posted on page 2. Andrew talks about the diamond twill that the Bailing Miao weave. The Shui do some weaving in this way also. The Bailing Miao and Shui live very closely together and it can be difficult to disentangle them.

Not sure if all of the above clarifies or just confuses!


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 Post subject: Re: Shui baby carriers
PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:43 pm 
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Hi all.
i sure that No. 1 is the Chinese Miao's baby carrier in Qianxi county of Guizhou. That No. 5 is the Chinese Miao's Baby carrier in Wenshan county of Yunnan.
For more information please to reply this post or visit my website.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:09 am 
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Hello Wu-zhh-
It would be helpful for all if you would provide more information in your post. Your website did not have such information.

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 Post subject: Diamond twill weaving
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:41 am 
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For those of you who may enjoy details this link http://members.aol.com/MtFreehold/LozTwill.pdf shows very simply HOW diamond twill (lozenge twill/ pineapple twill) is woven. It also includes many other fascinating facts and figures which have opened new doors for me!
Iain


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Thanks for that link Iain! It was a fascinating discussion of weaving and reminded me of some recent information I'd come across relating to Europeans many centuries ago in northern China and Central Asia, as determined by pieces of cloth found in their burials- cloth that was not native to the places where their burials were found. One must wonder about the origins of such twill weaving in China...

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susan stem wrote:
Hello Wu-zhh-
It would be helpful for all if you would provide more information in your post. Your website did not have such information.


Dear Susan Stem:
I am sorry for my late reply. But i temporarily no the Qianxi Miao's baby carrier. I had already posted a post about the Wenshan Miao's baby carrier and your TACH281 in your website. Please click:
http://www.tribaltextiles.info/community/viewtopic.php?t=970

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