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 Post subject: Re: Ragi Hotang
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 9:28 pm 
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Peter

I have managed to move your post with the close up images from the 'Old Batak ulos of unknown origin' thread and add them to this Ragi Hotang thread so that it is possible to see the complete cloth and, more important, to be able to more easily read Sandra Niessen's carefully worded responses to you above. I have also given you a link above to a pinunsaan where I have had identified the male/female ends (I think, from memory, by the Batak family who originally owned the textile and commissioned it).

I found it interesting that Sandra said in her post above "I noted that it seemed to me that it was about the opposition more than "what motif means what". It was about the presence of the opposition between male and female and the joining of male and female in a cloth. That seemed to me to be the important thing, more important than consistency in "this motif is the female" and "that motif is the male"."

Despite this Sandra also said above: "From what I can see, the top end seems to have the motifs most often deemed "female" in my experience (should I generalize from my experience?) but I couldn't see the lower end."

So, you have her recent words and you also have Sandra's early book based on her thesis 'Motifs of life in Toba Batak texts and textiles' which sets out in detail information she had gathered in her early research on male/female motifs

Based on the books and my web link and having seen the two close-up images you have posted today I would think that Sandra's second comment re the 'female' that I quote above is likely to still stand. I am afraid that we will not be getting any further comment from her on the matter.

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 Post subject: Re: Ragi Hotang
PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:44 am 
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Hallo Pamela,

Good idea to move the materials under one heading. This makes it easier for any other forum users to follow the thread and shed additional light on the subject should they have it. I have recently seen new information surface about other ikat regions in the Indonesian archipelago that we thought had been exhaustively covered, so who knows...

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Peter

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