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 Post subject: new ID help
PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 11:17 am 
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Each week end gives new pieces from my inventory.

first a cotton square indigo dyed with batik decoration . made of two pieces 88x84 cm (2x44x84)

second a piece that seems to be piece of a scarf or a belt or a loincloth... Quite old and used. Seems to me from East asia (Birman ?) 75x16 cm suplementary wefts (the back of the piece is black but corrugated where there are color threads)

third, a curious scarf, made with supplementary wefts (maybe silk) : the geometric design is near of a classic turkmen design named hashgul 146x41 cm

fourth, a curious bag. All cotton, design made both by embroidery and by kilim technic, coloured tassels. The hooked medalion design is a classical one of tribal rugs and kilims of persia and anatolia. It could be an european work under turkish influence (bulgaria????) The piece is made like a scarf (warp faced weaving) and is tranformed into a bag by sewing the two coloured ends and combining fringe tassels. 50x17 cm


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 Post subject: Re: new ID help
PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 2:18 pm 
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Hi Louis. Your first piece is an old batik baby blanket by the Xia Raojia of Majiang County in Guizhou. I haven’t got a closely similar one but various details are typical of the Raojia; the trees growing on the mountains around the border, the use of the long life “shou” character, the style of the bird patterns, the flower and plant patterns and the pairs of fish. Below are some poor quality scans that give a vague idea of what I mean.


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 Post subject: Re: new ID help
PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 3:28 pm 
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Duddley

thank you for your help.
I thought that piece was from vienam, but I was not sure....and in fact I was wrong
When you describe the chinese character "shou" I suppose this is what looks like a chinese character in the design (see closeup)....

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 Post subject: Re: new ID help
PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 10:08 pm 
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Andrew,

I have seen the interesting post which you took part about Xia Raojia children jackets on this forum. Very interesting art and craftmanship of the batik makers. Designs of this group are very astonishing. The little jackets are very beautiful. One understand that those peoples are very found of their child : their clothes are wonderfull and it is likely that the design had prophylactic meanings or powers (protection against the evil, we can imagine)
I think that in my cloth the pale blue of the design is made by over dying the cloth in a second indigo bath.

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Louis


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 Post subject: Re: new ID help
PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 10:05 am 
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Yes, that is the “shou” character. And yes, Raojia batik is often of a very high quality considering they used a mixture of tree resin and ox fat as their resist, which can be very hard to work, especially as they only used shaped bamboo tools to apply the resist (see photos at end of this thread: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=920&hilit=rao+jia+baby+carriers&start=15 )

Yes, your baby blanket would have been over dyed at the end of the production process. I’m not sure whether over dying has any specific meaning. Certainly children were very precious and many items relating to children have patterns designed to ward off evil spirits, such as tigers and dragons as well as those patterns designed to bestow good fortune for the future, such as money, power, children, beauty etc.

The Raojia child’s jacket1 below has batik depicting the “wan” (swastika) pattern in various different forms, both positive (blue) and negative (white). This character means 10,000 and is usually associated with the blessing of 10,000 happinesses, and jacket 2 has a different version of the long life “shou” character.

See also the below thread for Raojia children’s jackets:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1186&hilit=rao+jia+jacket


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 Post subject: Re: new ID help
PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 3:13 pm 
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Hi Andrew

Good to see you back on the forum and to be reminded of the very special Rao Jia wax resist. I gave myself a lovely indulgent time yesterday following the link you included to the earlier post with your examples and explanation on the children's jackets. It is easy to forget just how interesting and fine their wax resist is. Somehow, framing in the vests, brings the designs very much to the fore. Thanks very much!

I am posting a few photos of what I think is a Rao Jia babycarrier said to be from Majiang. It was sold as 'stencil' and, indeed, parts of it look that way. There is a band of very fine embroidery along the top and at the sides of the top (the latter aping weaving?)


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 Post subject: Re: new ID help
PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 9:21 am 
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Hi Pamela. Your piece of baby carrier looks to be from the Huishui Miao. In the Taiwan book: “The Rhythms of Blue” page 114 you’ll see something similar, although it is a batik version not stencilled paste resist version. Below are a couple that I have squirrelled away over the years. We have seen a few Huishui quilt covers on the forum that look to be stencilled similar to below.


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 Post subject: Re: new ID help
PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 9:24 am 
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A Huishui quilt cover.


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 Post subject: Re: new ID help
PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 5:19 pm 
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Thank you, Andrew

The structure, especially the shape, the top edging of embroidery and the top/side embroidery all seem so similar on your babycarriers to mine that they must be from a closely associated group albeit that yours have fine drawn wax resist and mine has had the resist applied via a stencil - at least in part.

In 2001 on a trip with Gina Corrigan we visited a couple of Huishui Miao villages. In neither did we see similar baby carriers and, indeed, I cannot find resist in any of my photos. However, on the same trip we went further south to Pintang County. It was very much Guizhou weather - pouring with rain! - and we had to give up visiting some villages. However, in Xin Tang township and outside Bai Zhan village we found Miao who used some very crude resist on the head flap to their babycarriers and for headscarfs for men. What was interesting was that the villagers showed us a sort of wooden comb with blunt 'spokes' and said it was used when applying resist and demonstrated on a man's headscarf. This produced lines of what can only be called 'blobs'. On the Huishui babycarriers you show, on mine and on the bed cover there are some smaller spots/blobs. I think they may have been applied by a similar, finer 'comb'. See photos below. Not a 'spot on' (sorry :)) reference but interesting to me at least, as we wondered at the time about this 'resist comb'!


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 Post subject: Re: new ID help
PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 3:23 pm 
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To continue the line of thought about the implements used to create dots and blobs in wax resist in S W China I am sharing a photo which Martin Conlan sent me (from a website which allows downloads) of a Bouyei woman in the village of Shitou (in Huanggousu township, Zhen Nin county, Guizhou province) using a very nifty implement to create wax resist dots. I particularly like it - thank you Martin!

See an image which I took in 2000 when I visited Shitou of an old lady holding a bundle of textiles showing resulting dots when the textile has been dyed in indigo: http://www.tribaltextiles.info/Gallerie ... u/SE15.htm If you click on that image you will see various other images from the village.

In the image of the wax application the wax looks very blue on the undyed textile because it being reused having been previously applied and then removed by heating picking up some blueness from the indigo dye in the process. In dyeing, of course, the positive in this image will turn into a negative as shown in the village photo.


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 Post subject: Re: new ID help
PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:27 am 
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This last photo is wonderful! I love the ingenuity displayed in this little tool! So simple, yet it achieves so much by perfectly forming and placing the dots with so little effort.

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 Post subject: Re: new ID help
PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 1:10 pm 
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Hi Susan

I agree! Isn't the tool wonderful? If you came across it by itself you would find it pretty difficult to guess what it was used for!

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