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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:07 pm 
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Its an honor to be in this forum. surrounded by so many textile lovers its create such a positive energy for me. I started collecting South east Asian textiles 7 years ago before i was dealing in Antique carpet and textiles from other parts of the world. So in the last 35 years i was around these wonderful objects. However I recently purchased some textiles that having a great character when I saw it i said i must buy it. With all my experience I was puzzled about the origin of this piece. I am quit sure it is over 100 years old. I hope some one could show me some similar pieces and guidens.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:02 pm 
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Well the design is interesting bringing motifs from deferent countries . And proves once again the influence of the Silk Road on bringing the ancient cultures closer together.

The large elephant foot from Beshir rugs of Afghanistan.

The swastikas from antique Tibetan and Chinese rugs .

And the stripes seen on Antique South Persian rugs,

But most of all the whole textile feeling is like a Roman Ancient flooring.

I am just wondering if any one have a relating textile to this, so it will make it easier to understand the origin of this textile.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:07 pm 
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The swastikas from antique Tibetan and Chinese rugs .


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:21 pm 
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And the stripes seen on Antique South Persian rugs,

But most of all the whole textile feeling is like a Roman Ancient flooring.

I am just wondering if any one have a relating textile to this, so it will make it easier to understand the origin of this textile.


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 Post subject: Possibly blanket
PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:35 am 
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Hi Effi, I think this may well be a minority blanket (possibly Tujia??) woven in two pieces and sewn together. I unfortunately do not have this book with me at present http://www.tribaltextiles.info/communit ... ht=minjian but am certain there are similar examples to be found there. Beautiful piece!


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Effi and Iain- I agree that this looks like a Tujia blanket. They are usually three panels, but this one is beautiful as it is. I particularly enjoy Effi's intellectual and visual 'journey' in studying the motifs, and the examples chosen. It invites thought about the old argument of diffusion versus technical constraints in origin of motifs, which I'll not get into here (I think we may have discussed this somewhat on another old thread...?). But there are some archetypal motifs that occur all over the world and cultures, such as the 'stepped fret' of the upper and lower borders, and the swastika. Suffice it to say that this blanket rocks!

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:22 pm 
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iain

Thank you for your comments and book recommendation, I will try to order the book but I understand that the text is in Chinese. I hope I will find some similar photos to my Tujia blanket. I am very interested to find the age of my blanket. its seem to be very old, it have extensive repaired areas from deferent periods. And the feeling and the texture of the blanket its very soft and smooth like I have never felt before. Maybe I will need to do some carbon dating to satisfy my curiosity.


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What a delightful and intriguing piece!

With the first image, I immediately had the impression Effi mentions, that it reminded me of a Roman mosaic. All the other motifs are equally appropriate, and I can understand the suggestion of a Tujia source. It seems that Tujia brocades are more controlled, certainly the one in Iain's link.

Is Effi's piece a brocade with the threads floating on the reverse?
As best I can see, it is weft-faced with a warp of finer threads, but I could be wrong. Weft: Wool, silk? Warp? Image of the reverse?

The hexagonal motifs are similar to ones found in Turkey and Caucasia, but I have never seen a textile in this technique from those areas (not that I am an expert who has seen everything).

Where is Marla?

Greetings, Larry


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 Post subject: Mystery Tuija BLanket
PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:36 pm 
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Iain .Susan, and Larry.

Thank you so much for your kind words and helpful tips. Since the last photos unfortunately the piece has been added with a cotton Backing to make it look like a real blanket so unfortunately i couldn't take any photos from the back of the blanket, but i took quiet few close up shots from the areas that clearly can see the structural. its looks like a discontinue supplementary weft. with a use of un spun cotton to cover the white parts. and then been crossed and reinforced by a fine hand spun brown cotton. and looks like the warp is a very soft brown hand spun cotton. With an extensive use of silk except for the ivory designes in cotton.

Originally the photos were larger but i had to make them smaller according to the forum regulations.

Itry to post all the photos in 2 separate postings, i hope its ok by Pamela.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:37 pm 
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Hi Larry just a quick one - the image shown in the link given is NOT a Tujia piece - it is the front cover of the book and if I remember correctly is a detail from a Dong piece. Known Tujia pieces are incredibly detailed with an aboundance of colour and complexity of design as indicated on one shown on Susan's website http://www.tribaltrappings.com/TACH253.php and, if I recall correctly, the book given in the link has a number of incredible woven Tujia examples. Doing a Google image search 'Tujia blanket' will bring up a number of examples (not all correctly attributed!) to indicate the possibilities.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:40 pm 
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and here another example attributed to the Tujia http://www.trocadero.com/abhayaasianart/items/1090785/en1.html


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:46 pm 
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 Post subject: Tuija Blanket
PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:16 pm 
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iain

Thanks for your photo reference from tocadero.com Its obviously a close design elements to my piece its quit certain that my piece is Tuija.. But i believe with more looking at my piece its possibly could be 18 century or even earlier. Hope i can find some proof to that with your guys help.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:37 am 
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Hi Effi

Thanks very much for taking note of the forum rules re photo sizes. So very many people don't (you know who you are!!!) and I end up going in and editing!

I would be surprised if your blanket is as old as "18 century or even earlier". I know that radio carbon dating has surprised people with several textiles being older than at first thought but pre 1700 or even 1700-1799 would be pretty old and my strictly unscientific gut feeling looking at your textile is that it is much later.

Glad to see that this thread has turned into a nice and informative one with some strong visuals. I supposed over time the http://www.trocadero.com/abhayaasianart ... 5/en1.html link will be overwritten by a new item for sale so make sure you download the info, Effi, for your records.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:20 pm 
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Just a quick comment regarding age on a Chinese minority textile of this type: color is a good, tho broad, indicator of possible age and the purple/pink color on your blanket is likely the result of the synthetic dye known as fuksine, which originated in the mid-19thc. approximately. So, sorry, but an age older than this is highly unlikely. If you could see the back of your blanket, you might have a better idea of the original colors. I do find the light blue surprising- almost as tho it was barely dipped into the indigo vat. Wear on a blanket is not really a good indicator of age, as blankets are subject to use.

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