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 Post subject: Iranian slik.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 3:36 pm 
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I got this last weekend for a few pennies. Most probably a tourist item. I find it interesting as I am not a weaver for these reasons. It is intricate and woven with fine silks but at the same time stiff and has errors as can be seen in the detail pictures. Strangely fine and slapdash but still must have taken some time. Slapdash for tourists?


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Hi-
I think that what you have is neither Iranian nor silk. I have seen similar pieces all over the Middle East and always thought they came from India and were machine woven of synthetic materials, hence the low price. Often they are used as portable prayer mats as they are small and fold or roll up into small bundles. The writing is Arabic and looks like some numbers- maybe a vendor's code or measurements.

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Hello Susan.

Thank you for your reply. I only thought of Iran as the the borders are the colours of the Iranian flag. The rather stiff design reminds me of Kashmir work. Would machine weaving have sloppy irregular edges and so many errors?
When I think about it green, white and red could be flag colours from many Mid east countries. I do feel sure it is silk though.


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Honeydarling (my husband better not see this!)-
Do you know how to do a burn test to check fibers? Snip off a bit of the 'silk' and hold it with tweezers over an ashtray; put a match to it and if it burns quickly, with little residue and smells like burning hair, it is silk. If it beads into a little ball, then it is synthetic. There are other nuances to burn tests, such as fabric blends, so I would suggest consulting a better reference, such as:http://www.fabrics.net/fabricsr.asp.

Re the colors in the border: the flag of Italy is also green, red and white...

I agree that the weaving mistakes are pretty sloppy for a machine... it's hard to say not having the textile to feel and study. One thing for sure- it's not a tribal textile.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:32 pm 
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Thank you again Susan,

I have tried the flame test and I can say some of the fibres are cotton. The "silk" threads do ball back when heated but the samples used for testing are extremely thin and I have been told that silk fibres do melt. I do not know and do not really care as I only paid 50 pence for the item. As for a tribal item, when does a tribe become a nation, what is a nation, and how many nation are made of many tribes????

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For me 'tribal' relates to identity, particularly cultural identity and, in textiles, to expressing this cultural identity through style/construction of textiles used by an associated group of people. It is the basis of my www.tribaltextiles.info website and of this forum.

For me it has nothing to do with nationhood which is seems part of political identity rather than cultural identity.

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Testing fibres by burning. See a helpful explanation and guide - but note it stresses expertise is needed to be completely accurate: http://www.fabrics.net/fabricsr.asp Seems smell is an important aid to ID as well as the quality of the ash/residue.

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