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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:50 am 
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Dear Iain

I think I phrased my question badly. I was not asking you to determine whether the cloth was hemp or whether it was ramie. I was asking if it could have been one of the two. I would not expect you to be able to tell the difference as the finished cloth is very difficult to differentiate.

In the photo of completed lengths of fabric - also posted elsewhere on the forum and seen on the main website at http://www.tribaltextiles.info/Gallerie ... /XME11.htm - of two lengths of fabric the one on the left of the photo being made from ramie and the one on the right from hemp. I saw and handled both and, following a heavy waxing - all the white areas were covered with wax on both sides - I could not tell the difference. I only know the difference because the person who created both fabric lengths and did the waxing said so.

Ramie in its natural state before bleaching is lighter than hemp and therefore may be preferred by the Miao women. As a plant it is a perennial whilst hemp is an annual. I don't think that ramie creases less - possible nothing in it or the reverse. The difference in the natural colour of hemp and ramie can be seen in the other photo showing rolls of unspliced ramie and rolls of spliced hemp.


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File comment: Rolls of spliced hemp in the foreground and a large roll of un-spliced ramie, stripped from the twig but waiting to be spliced. Note that the ramie is slightly lighter in colour than the hemp which is one of the reasons that it is preferred as it does no
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File comment: ramie and hemp wax skirt lengths made by Li Jiang Ying, a Big Flower Miao woman in Xian Ma village, Hou Chang township, Puding county, Guizhou province. The one on the left of the photo being made from ramie and the one on the right from hemp.
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 Post subject: Hemp or raimie
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:31 am 
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Aaah! Yes, this material is either hemp or raimie.
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I'd like to share another example of this type of carrier that I recently purchased as a birthday present to myself.

It is very similar to Iain's, with a few slight differences. The first, and most obvious is the strands of Job's Tears seeds that have been attached to the front of the carrier. There are also loose strings hanging from the bottoms of the first layer panels, which would originally have had lucky talismans attached to them. Most of them have been lost, but a pair of old coins, and a small wrapped package of some kind have survived.

Additionally, there are two layers of batik work, both of which have added applique around the main decorative field. Unfortunately, the last panel has been rather crudely attached, and the stitching creates an unsightly line across the third panel.

Overall though, I am quite taken with this baby carrier, and am happy to have been able to add it to my collection.


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The donor of the birthday present had excellent taste! Such methods of selection lead to the best 'gifts'!!

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Hi all,

Here is another Miao baby carrier from Nankai. Sorry for the poor lighting, but I thought you all might like to see it. I was lucky to find an example with the hanging ornaments still largely intact, usually the women cut them off before selling them.

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batik work underneath outer panel


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